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Post  Admin on Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:08 pm

Imp: Like I said before, in hinduism everything is God, so if you add Allah and Jesus into the list it won't make any difference to the concept of Hinduism. I don't know how far Hinduism goes back, but its very strange to know that the word "Hindu" is not even mentioned in any of the books of Veda's or Upanishad's. The term "Hinduism" was intorduced by the British to address the people of India and the word "Hindu" is the name of Indus River and it was given by persians starting from 1323 Century. One more fact, Neither Bhagwan Ram said I am a hindu nor did Bhagwan Krishna, Neither they said to worship them.

Similarly, the word "Christianity" was also not found by Jesus Christ. It was introduced by the Jewish people to address the people who follow Jesus. To make them feel disgusting. One more strange fact is that, In the bible Jesus has never said "Worship me", find me a verse from the bible where Jesus said "I am God" or "Worhsip Me".

The word "Islam" is clearly mentioned in the Holy Quran and "Muslim" means a person who follows Islam.

Guys you need to think and analyze deeply.
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Post  Admin on Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:12 pm

Lvcivs Caesar:
Imp wrote: "...The word 'Christianity' was also not found by Jesus Christ. It was introduced by the Jewish people to address the people who follow Jesus. To make them feel disgusting. One more strange fact is that, In the bible Jesus has never said 'Worship me,' find me a verse from the bible where Jesus said 'I am God' or 'Worhsip Me.' The word 'Islam' is clearly mentioned in the Holy Quran and 'Muslim' means a person who follows Islam. Guys you need to think and analyze deeply."

Yes, you need to think and analyze deeply. Mahomet, the False Prophet, was a terrorist and a sex maniac, who coveted the 6 year old "wife" of his "adopted son," had his "son" "divorce" her and "married" her, and then consummated the "marriage" when she was only nine years old, and
he was more than forty-five. The law has definitions for such sex perverts: Paedophiles, paederasts.

The Quran is a forgery, forged by the third "Caliph," who used the classical "Mahomettan" tool of terrorism to suppress all other versions of the "Quran" and thus fabricate a "single" version of the Quran.

The Quran is supremely nonsensical. It takes the stories of the Bible, adds to it the pious legends of foolish Gnostics, and of heretical Christian sects of the Nestorians, Jacobites and others, and produces a weird mishmash.

Jesus' mother Mary is, according to the Quran, the sister of Moses, never mind that they lived more than 1500 years apart! The confusion becomes understandable when we remember that Moses had a sister Mariam (both she and Jesus' mother's original names are actually "Mariamne").

The Quran states that parts of it have been "abrogated." Which parts are not specified. Since none have been specified, it is logical to consider the whole as abrogated.

Jesus taught that He is God. He plainly told the Jews, "Before Abraham was, I am," and the Jews understood Him clearly enough. Infact, only those who are hypocrites with a mischievous, diabolic agenda, will pretend not to understand.

Jesus also said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life." St. John the Apostle, one of those closest to Jesus also confesses Jesus' divinity in the first chapter of his Gospel. Jesus time and again affirmed He is God and demanded worship.

Jesus Christ taught: "I am the light of the word; he who follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."

Jesus Christ taught: "I am the way,the truth and the life; no one comes to the Father but by me."

Jesus Christ taught: "If God were your father, you would love me, for I proceeded and came forth from God. I came not of my own accord, but He sent me."

Jesus Christ taught: "If a man loves me he will keep my word and my Father will come to him and make our home with him."

The name "Christian" was not made up by the Jews, there is no proof of this idiotic lie. It was at Antioch that the word "Christian" was first applied, and it is a Greek word, not a Hebrew word. The Bible says, "the disciples were first called Christians at Antioch" (Acts xi, 26). If it was a Jewish derogatory word, and if the word was incorrect and abusive, the Christians would never have accepted it; if it had originated with the Jews, the Bible would have recorded it. The Jews have never called us Christians. For them to call us Christians would be an admission on the part of the Jews that we are followers of the Promised Messias (Ha Moschiah), which they violently deny. It needs an idiot to allege that the name Christian originated from the Jews!

The Protestant C.S. Lewis says:

"Then comes the real shock. Among these Jews there suddenly turns up a man who goes about talking as if He was God. He claims to forgive sins. He says He has always existed. He says He is coming to judge the world as the end of time. Now let us get this clear. Among pantheists, like the Indians, anyone might say that he was a part of God, or one with God: there would be nothing very odd about it. But this man since He was a Jew, could not mean that kind of God. God, in their language, meant the being outside the world Who had made it and was infinitely
different from anything else. And when you have grasped that, you will see that what this man said was quite simply, the most shocking thing that has been uttered by human lips.

"One part of the claim tends to slip past us unnoticed because we have heard it so often that we no longer see what it amounts to. I mean the claim to forgive sins: any sins. Now unless the speaker is God, this is really so preposterous as to be comic. We can all understand how a man
forgives offences against himself. You tread on my toe and I forgive you, you steal my money and I forgive you. But what should we make of a man, himself unrobbed and untrodden on, who announced that he forgave you for treading other men's toes and stealing other men's money?
Asinine fatuity is the kindest description we should give of his conduct. Yet this is what Jesus did. He told people that their sins were forgiven, and never waited to consult all the other people whom their sins had undoubtedly injured. He unhesitatingly behaved as if He was the party chiefly concerned, the person chiefly offended in all offences. This makes sense only if He really was the God whose laws are broken and whose love is wounded in every sin. In the mouth of any speaker who is not God, these words would imply what I can regard as a silliness and conceit unrivaled by any other character in history.

"Yet (and this is the strange, significant thing) even His enemies, when they read the gospels, do not usually get the impression of silliness and conceit. Still less do unprejudiced readers. Christ says that He is "humble and meek" and we believe Him; not noticing that, if He were merely a man, humility and meekness are the very last characteristics we could attribute to some of His sayings.

"I am trying to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: "I am ready to accept Jesus as the great moral teacher, but I don't accept His claim to be God." That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic - on a level with the man who says he is a boiled egg - or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to."

Enough of the Mahomettan nonsense.

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Lúcio Mascarenhas, Authorized Catholic Internet Apologist & Catechist,
Baçaim (Vasai), South Asia

Postscript: The Christian is commanded to hate error and sin, not the sinner. God commands us to love all men because he desires the salvation of every soul that he has created.


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Re: Debate with a Mahomettan

Post  Admin on Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:20 pm

Imp: Look Lvcivs Caesar, first of all I would like to apologize to you if you have been offended by any of my comments. Truly had no intentions to hurt anyone but only wanted to share my knowledge. But there is no need for you to get personal about Quran and Prophet Mohammed pbuh and call them by various inappropriate names. You are in deep trouble now and only lifetime repentance can save you. Your information is all crappy and jumbled up. Don't try to create all false stories. Prove it rather than abusing someone you do not know. Did you anytime see me saying "Jesus is a false God" and Bible is a "book written by demons". No, I did not. I would never do something that would hurt the Christian / Hindu community. So please apologize / repent for your mistakes and argue with hospitality. Try to talk using your intellect rather than emotions.

Coming to you post. Here are my comments.

1. Your allegation on Prophet Mohammed pbuh is patchy, check your source again.

2. Do you have any proof that Quran is a forged book? There is not a single statement in the Quran which is against the mankind.

3. Please provide me the verse from the Holy Quran where it is written that, Mother of Jesus, Mary (Mariam) is the sister of Prophet Moses pbuh ? As far as I know there is nothing like this mentioned in the Quran.

4. Can you provide the evidence for your claim that "Quran is abrogated" ?

5. You are correct that the word "Christian" is a greek word, but it was also used as "public identity" to the jews who followed the Christ prior to the adoption of Christianity by non-Jews. Following is the verse which says that they were downcast. Peter 4:16, The Message
paraphrase, the Apostle Peter encouraged believers who are abused "because you're a Christian, don't give it a second thought. Be proud of the distinguished status reflected in that name!"

6. Please read the following very carefully and slowly. So that you conceive it. If possible read twice.

**Gospel According To John 8:58: "Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I Am".

You are quoting from "The Gospel According To John", do you see the word there "According". Meaning there is no surety of the text. Its something like in the news we keep hearing, "according to the sources, dozen people were killed in a plane crash". Which means it is not yet
confirmed.

Assuming that its a true statement from Gospel "according" to John. Why didn't Jesus say "Before Adam" instead of Abraham. Before Abraham we had Adam and Noah. Does that mean Jesus was not before Adam and Noah.

Even then what does "I AM" mean ? Its just an incomplete sentence. It only interpretes that Jesus is "something". Jesus left a blank for you to fill in and you filled in "Son of God" or "Jehova is God" or "God" or "Angel of God".

If you analyze furthur on the verses of Jesus claiming divinity. It is mentioned in the Gospel "According" to John as follows.

**Gospel According To John:10:23: And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch.
**Gospel According To John:10:24: Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
**Gospel According To John:10:25: Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
**Gospel According To John:10:26: But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
**Gospel According To John:10:27: My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
**Gospel According To John:10:28: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
**Gospel According To John:10:29: My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Here Jesus clearly says his father is greater than himself. Please Read furthur.

**Gospel According To John:10:30: I and my Father are one.

Here Jesus says that he and his father are the same. Then why did he say that his Father is greater in the prior statement. Two contradictory and controvertial statements. Please read furthur.

**Gospel According To John:10:31: Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
**Gospel According To John:10:32: Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
**Gospel According To John:10:33: The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
**Gospel According To John:10:34: Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
**Gospel According To John:10:35: If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

Here Jesus is giving explanation to his controversial statement in John:10:30 above by saying that to whome the word of God comes, then he is the Son of God or God. This means all the other prophets to whome the word of God came they are also the sons of God or God. Therefore all the prophets including Jesus are Gods or Sons of Gods.

If we furthur read the bible in the book of Psalms Jesus also says that all his deciples are Gods or Sons of God. Again same contradictory and controvertial statement. Meaning all the disciples listening to this statement from Jesus are Gods or Sons of God. Will you worship the
deciples as well ?

**Psalms:82:6: I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

The correct answer is that, Jesus was telling that everyone who follow the one true God and his message are the childrens of God and God will cherish them till eternity. He is not saying that he is God or God has begotten a son. He was clearly saying that he is a messenger and we all are Gods children.

If you read Gospel According To John: Chapter 8 from the beginning, the chapter describes that there was a prostitute who was going to be stoned by the Jews for commiting adultry and Jesus comes and asks the people whoever has never sinned in his life can stone her. None but Jesus remains before the prostitute. Jesus tells the prostitute not to sin anymore and live in peace. Jews were upset by this act of Jesus and say who are you to decide. He replies that he is Son of God. See below.

**Gospel According To John:8:19: Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

"I AM" refers that he is the son of God and I have already explained you above that who so ever believes in the God of Jesus and all the prophets before jesus are his Sons. Jesus never said that he is God. Unfortunately the translators forgot to mention the importance of "I
AM" in the english bible or its just that you are adding that intentionally.

Here are some more facts from the bible about Jesus claiming divinity.

It is mentioned in the Bible in

**Gospel According To John, Chapter No.14, Verse No.28 - ‘My Father is greater than I’;
**Gospel According To John, Chapter No.10, Verse No.29…‘My Father is greater than all’;
**Gospel According To Mathew, Chapter No.12, Verse No.28…‘I cast out devils with the spirit of God’;
**Gospel According To Luke, Chapter No.11, Verse No.20…‘I with the finger of God, cast out devil’;
**Gospel According To John, Chapter No.5, Verse No.30… ‘I can of my own self do nothing’…

‘I can of my own self do nothing’ - As I hear, I judge and my judgement is just, for I seek not my own will, but the will of my Father.’ Anyone who says… ‘Not my will but God’s will’ - he is a Muslim. Muslim means the person who submits his’ will to almighty God. Jesus Christ peace be
upon him said…‘Not my will but God’s will. He was a Muslim - and he was Alhamdulillah, one of the mightiest messengers of God.

Please stop abusing Islam and Prophet Mohammed Pbuh and argue with your proofs which are most gracious.

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Mr. Imp,

Firstly, it is you who began this, by unnecessarily insulting Christianity. But Christianity is truth, and the only one truth, and truth does not allow for errors and falsehoods; Error has no rights. I make no apologies for the truth.

Mahomettanism pretends to “respect” Jesus Christ and Mother Mary. As a matter of fact, it makes a mockery of both. Mahomettanism creates a false, counterfeit Jesus and a false counterfeit Mary, both of whom are the Puppets (katputli) of the false prophet Mahomet.

Jesus did not spring out from nowhere. He was predicted to Adam & Eve when they were being punished in the Garden of Eden for their Sin; He was predicted to the Prophets Noe, Abraham, Moses, King David, Isaias, Jeremias, Malachias, Amos, and many more. There was more than four thousand years of expectation for His coming.

Jesus Christ is not merely a Prophet; He is the Son of God, one of the three persons of the triune Godhead; He is also God who became man. As such, He is far higher than any Prophet. He is the Author, not merely a Spokesman. Anyone who denies this teaches the doctrine of Satan. Such a person is Antichrist. So is Mahomet, as much as Marcion or Montanus. So is Smith, the “Prophet” and “Mahomet” of Mormonism.

The Jews, while rejecting Jesus Christ, are the best witness for Christ Himself, because, even while they reject Jesus, they claim to expect the Messias (Ha Moschiah), who, they expect, will inaugurate a worldwide Jewish empire.

Mahomettanism makes a lie of Jesus Christ and His Mission; it makes a lie of all that Jesus was about, and all that the Jews have been expecting, both before and after the coming of Jesus.

Mahomettanism pretends to be legitimized from the teaching of Jesus Christ in the Gospel. However, for this, Mahomettanism depends, not on the unequivocal witness of the Gospel, but on their own fabrication of the words of the Gospel, turning the Paraclete or “Another Advocate” into “Paraclitos,” the “praised one” or Mu’Ahmad (Incidentally, “the praised one” is not a unique name; Augustus and Sebastian both mean nearly the same).

Christianity has always recognized that the Paraclete promised by Jesus Christ came upon the Church at the First Pentecost in the Cenacle. That excludes any other “Paraclete” whether it is Montanus or Mu’Ahmad.

But the Mahomettan pretension to Mu’Ahmad being the “Paraclete” promised by Jesus Christ is proven false by the fact that the Mahomettans, instead of depending on the witness of the Gospel, depend on their own authority for the word “Paraclete” to really mean “Paraclitos” instead. That meets the definition of “vicious cycle” and thus negates this pretension.

You (Imp) claim that it was not your intention to offend Christians. But as a matter of fact, it was your intention to insult Christians, to negate Christianity in order to glorify Mahomettanism.

Now, when you get a fitting reply, you pretend otherwise.

You had written:

"Similarly, the word 'Christianity' was also not found by Jesus Christ. It was introduced by the Jewish people to address the people who follow Jesus. To make them feel disgusting. One more strange fact is that, In the bible Jesus has never said 'Worship me,' find me a verse from the bible where Jesus said 'I am God' or 'Worhsip Me.' The word 'Islam' is clearly mentioned in the Holy Quran and 'Muslim' means a person who follows Islam. Guys you need to think and analyze deeply"

Let us analyze these words. Better still, I will translate them into plain English: "Christianity was not founded by Jesus Christ. The name was introduced by the Jews as a derogatory term. Jesus never said 'Worship me.' By contrast, the word 'Islam' is clearly mentioned in the Quran, and 'Muslim' means a person who follows Islam. You need to inquire carefully and understand." Is my translation into plain and simple English wrong?

You ask: “Did you anytime see me saying ‘Jesus is a false God’ and Bible is a ‘book written by demons.’ No, I did not. I would never do something that would hurt the Christian community.” I have just proven that you did. You tried to be clever and subtle, but you deceived no one. You do not say “Jesus is a false God,” you instead say, “Jesus is not God,” and when you say so, you are Satan’s mouthpiece. You do not say that the Bible is a “book written by demons,” but you pretend that it was falsified by Christians, which if it was indeed falsified, means that it is now the work of the demons.

You say: “there is no need for you to get personal about Quran and Prophet Mohammed and call them by various inappropriate names.” Calling a spade a spade, and a liar and a humbug a liar and a humbug is not “inappropriate,” it is being frank and honest.

I am amused by your threat: “You are deep trouble now and only lifetime repentance can save you.” Yes, I must fall down and worship the false god of Mahomettanism and the false prophet Mahomet! Fat chance! And what do you mean by “save”? An eternity of fornicating in the “Jannat al firdaus”? Sorry, I just am not interested. I am not a sex maniac, and I have enough common sense to know that the sexual urge is only an inferior need, instilled by God as a means of propagating the human race, and not an end in itself. It is only sex maniacs who labor under a morbid delusion that salvation means an eternity of sex and fornication!

You ask: “Do you have any proof that Quran is a forged book? There is not a single statement in the Quran which is against the mankind.” The Quran was never a single book. Mahomet never bequeathed his followers a ready Quran. When the False Prophet died, his teachings and alleged “revelations” were purely an oral tradition.

In Wikipedia, we read:

“Islam holds that the Qur’an was revealed to Muhammad by the angel Gabriel over a period of approximately twenty-three years, beginning in 610 A.D., when he was forty, and concluding in 632 A.D., the year of his death. Followers of Islam further believe that the Qur’an was written down by Muhammad's companions while he was alive, although the primary method of transmission was oral. Muslim tradition agrees that it was fixed in writing shortly after Muhammad's death by order of the caliphs Abu Bakr and Umar, and that their orders began a process of formalization of the orally transmitted text that was completed under their successor Uthman with the standard edition known as the ‘Uthmanic recension.’ According to Shia and some Sunni scholars, Ali compiled a complete version of the Qur’an immediately after Muhammad's death. The order of this Qur’an differed from that gathered later during Uthman's era. Despite this, Ali made no objection or resistance against (Uthman's) standardized Qur’an, but kept his own book. After seventy reciters were killed in the Battle of Yamama, the caliph Abu Bakr decided to collect the different chapters and verses into one volume. Thus, a group of reciters, including Zayd ibn Thabit, collected the chapters and verses and produced several hand-written copies of the complete book. In about 650, as Islam expanded beyond the Arabian peninsula into Persia, the Levant and North Africa, the third caliph Uthman ibn Affan ordered the preparation of an official, standardized version, in order to preserve the sanctity of the text (and perhaps to keep the Rashidun Empire united, see Uthman Qur'an). Five reciters from amongst the companions produced a unique text (derived) from the first volume which had been prepared on the orders of Abu Bakr and which was kept with Hafsa bint Umar. The other copies already in the hands of Muslims in other areas were collected and sent to Medina where, on orders of the Caliph, they were destroyed by burning or boiling. This remains the authoritative text of the Qur’an to this day”

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qur%27an]

“During the life of Muhammad, parts of the Qur'an, though written, was scattered amongst his companions, much of it as private possession. After Muhammad's death, Abu Bakr initially exercised a policy of laissez faire as well. This policy was reversed after the Battle of Yamama in 633. During the battle, 700 Muslims who had memorized the Qur'an were killed. The death of Sālim, however, was most significant, as he was one of the very few who had been entrusted by Muhammad to teach the Qur'an. Consequently, upon Umar's insistence, Abu Bakr ordered the collection of the hitherto scattered pieces of the Qur'an into one copy. Zaid ibn Thabit, Muhammad's primary scribe, was assigned the duty of collecting all of the Quranic text. This was his reaction: '...By Allah, if he (Abu Bakr) had ordered me to shift one of the mountains it would not have been harder for me than what he had ordered me concerning the collection of the Quran.... So I started locating the Quranic material and collecting it from parchments, scapula, leafstalks of date palms and from the memories of men' (Bukhari 6:60:201). The task required ibn Thabit to collect written copies of the Qur'an, with each verse having validated with the oral testimony of at least two companions. Usually the written copies were verified by himself and Umar - both of whom had memorized portions of the Qur'an. Thus, eventually the entire Qur'an was collected into a single copy, but it still wasn't given any particular order. This compilation was kept by the Caliph Abu Bakr, after his death by his successor, Caliph Umar, who on his deathbed gave them to Hafsa bint Umar, his daughter and one of Muhammad's widows.”

You wrote: “Please provide me the verse from the Holy Quran where it is written that, Mother of Jesus, Mary (Mariam) is the sister of Prophet Moses? As far as I know there is nothing like this mentioned in the Quran”

For Mahomet’s confusion of Mary, sister of Aaron & Moses, and daughter of Amram, and of Mary, mother of Jesus, daughter of Joaquim & Anne, see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_narratives_and_the_Qur%27an#Miriam_and_Mary

You wrote: “Can you provide the evidence for your claim that ‘Quran is abrogated’?”

http://www.word.org.uk/Articles/the-quran-has-abrogated-the-bible-really
http://www.geocities.com/livrant/ahmad-mohsen.html
http://www.geocities.com/orthopapism/nasakha01.html
http://www.geocities.com/orthopapism/nasakha02.html

You said: “You are correct that the word "Christian" is a greek word, but it was also used as ‘public identity’ to the jews who followed the Christ prior to the adoption of Christianity by non-Jews. Following is the verse which says that they were downcast. Peter 4:16, The Message
paraphrase, the Apostle Peter encouraged believers who are abused ‘because you're a Christian, don't give it a second thought. Be proud of the distinguished status reflected in that name!’”

I will always prefer to take Bible quotations directly from the Bible, and in their correct context:

"If you be reproached for the name of Christ, you shall be blessed: for that which is of the honour, glory, and power of God, and that which is his Spirit, resteth upon you. But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or a thief, or a railer, or a coveter of other men's things. But if as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in that name. For the time is, that judgment should begin at the house of God. And if first at us, what shall be the end of them that believe not the gospel of God? And if the just man shall scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? Wherefore let them also that suffer according to the will of God, commend their souls in good deeds to the faithful Creator" - St. Peter the Apostle, I Peter iv, 14-19

You say, “Please read the following very carefully and slowly. So that you conceive it. If possible read twice.

**Gospel According To John 8:58: ‘Jesus said to them, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I Am.’

You are quoting from ‘The Gospel According To John,’ do you see the word there ‘According.’ Meaning there is no surety of the text. Its something like in the news we keep hearing, ‘according to the sources, dozen people were killed in a plane crash.’ Which means it is not yet confirmed. ‘Assuming that its a true statement from Gospel ‘according’ to John: Why didn't Jesus say ‘Before Adam’ instead of Abraham. Before Abraham we had Adam and Noah. Does that mean Jesus was not before Adam and Noah. Even then what does ‘I AM’ mean? Its just an incomplete sentence. It only interpretes that Jesus is ‘something.’

Jesus left a blank for you to fill in and you filled in ‘Son of God’ or ‘Jehova is God’ or ‘God’ or ‘Angel of God.’

“If you analyze furthur on the verses of Jesus claiming divinity. It is mentioned in the Gospel ‘According’ to John as follows.”

I have read enough of your hateful lies and slanders and calumnies against Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Enough! And aren’t you the very same liar who pretends that “I did not at anytime say ‘Jesus is a false God’ (i.e. that Jesus is not God) and that the Bible is a ‘book written by demons’…. I would never do something that would hurt the Christian / Hindu community.”

Enough of your crap. You are welcome to gorge yourself on it. I am just not interested, today or anyday in the garbage and sewage that is Mahomettanism. Leave well off.


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Post  Admin on Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:33 pm

Imp: LvcivsCaesar, Your responce in only out of emotion and fury. Did you not see my apology if I was unintentionally harsh. You are in more trouble than before. None can save you except Allah. Fear Allah, because God is not human to have mercy on the way he punishes you. You are just getting close to the hell fire.

Here are my following comments:

1. You have still not found any verse from the Bible where Jesus says "I am God" or "Worship Me".

2. Find me one verse from the bible were "Trinity" has been mentioned.

3. If Jesus is God, then why did he Die on the cross ? How can a God Die ? Is this the same God who had killed Pharaoh through the hands of Moses ? Why can't God think of another solution rather than die himself for our sins and resurrect in three days ? If I kill one person everyday and confess to Jesus Christ, will my sins be forgiven everyday?

4. what has the holy ghost spirit given you ever since Jesus Christ left the earth ?

5. Your allegations about Maryam being the sister of Aaron are incorrect. The Aaron referred in Maryam 19:28 is not the same as the brother of Moses. Allah speaks about another Aaron in the time of Maryam. Learn from a muslim scholar rather than Wikipedia or WikiIslam.

6. How many chapters of bible have you memorized (word to word). I guess none. Alhamdulillah I have memorized atleast 20 chapters from the Holy Quran (Word by word). Infact there is no one in this world who has memorized the bible till date and still you can find millions of Hafeez-e-Quran around the world. This is a miracle from Allah.

Its true that Quran was contructed from leafs, stones and memories of people but can you find any verse from the Quran which is against the humanity. It was picked from various written formats yet it is compiled with so perfection and even in todays world if you burn all the Quran's, we can reproduce it back from our memory with out any mistake InshAllah.

7. It is true that Allah has nullified few verses of the Quran with the other because he is our lord and he will do as he wishes. In his hands lies the heavens, earth, hell fire and everything that you can imagine.

8. If Bible is the word of God then please justify the following verses from the bible.

Foul Language in the bible:

Book of Duetronomy:23:2: A "bastard" shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

Book of Zaakariya:9:6: And a "bastard" shall dwell in Ashdod, and I will cut off the pride of the Philistines.

Book of Hebrews:12:8: But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye "bastards", and not sons.

Erotic Sex in the bible:

Book of Ezekiel:23:3: And they committed "whoredoms" in Egypt; they committed "whoredoms" in their youth: there were their "breasts" pressed, and there they bruised the "teats" of their virginity.

Book of Ezekiel:23:7: Thus she committed her "whoredoms" with them, with all them that were the chosen men of Assyria, and with all on whom she doted: with all their idols she defiled herself.

Book of Ezekiel:23:8: Neither left she her "whoredoms" brought from Egypt: for in her youth they "lay with her", and they bruised the "breasts" of her virginity, and poured their "whoredom" upon her.

Book of Ezekiel:23:20: For she "doted upon their paramours", whose flesh is as the flesh of "asses", and whose issue is like the issue of horses.

Book of Ezekiel:23:21: Thus thou calledst to remembrance the lewdness of thy youth, in bruising thy "teats" by the Egyptians for the paps of thy youth.

Incest and Sex with a prostitute by a prophet in the Bible:

Book of Genesis:38:15: When Judah saw her, he thought her to be an "harlot"; because she had covered her face.

Book of Genesis:38:16: And he turned unto her by the way, and said, Go to, I pray thee, let me "come in unto thee"; (for he knew not that she was his daughter in law.) And she said, What wilt thou give me, that thou mayest come in unto me?

Does lord Jesus Christ realy speaks this way ? Can children read this from the Bible. Its looks rated "R".

9. Jesus has promised your Salvation, but he has also denied providing any salvation in the same bible that you read.

Salvation denied by Jesus:

Gospel "According" to Saint Mathew:7:22: Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Gospel "According" to Saint Mathew:7:23: And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Please repent for your sins. You do not know what wrath of Allah you have brought upon yourself. May Allah forgive your sins.
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imp wrote: SC81, can you construct your comments into more proper english so that I can understand.

LvcivsCaesar, Your responce in only out of emotion and fury. Did you not see my apology if I was unintentionally harsh. You are in more trouble than before. None can save you except Allah. Fear Allah, because God is not human to have mercy on the way he punishes you. You are just getting close to the hell fire.....

Mr. Imp,

I have enough of your hypocritical nonsense.

You ask others to “construct” their comments in “more proper English so that you can understand.” Well, why don’t you do so yourself? Because it leaves you room open to waffle if things become sticky?

According to you, “I respond only out of emotion and fury.” Wow! You must be Almighty God to know what is going on in my mind! And, by contrasts, YOU are the picture of the dispassionate, cool and calm! What shameless hypocrisy!

“Fear Allah”? No way. I am not scared for the Demon Allah, the false god of the Mahomettans. I only fear the God of Israel.

According to you, the word “According” in the titles of the Four Gospels mean that they are not “confirmed” information, merely “Allegations.” You are truly a Satanist and Accursed, who shamelessly blasphemes God’s Holy Word and negates it, the better to lead souls into eternal hellfire.

The word “According” in the title has relation to the human authorship and do not mean the lie that you try and impute to it; the word “According” is not part of the original title, but was added by later Christians to differentiate between the four gospels.

But of course, you know all of this, but you are here to tell lies, to do the work of Satan, to lead souls to eternal damnation!

The Bible contains clear statements by Jesus that He is God, and commanding He be worshipped. But what obligation do I have to you, who are a public and notorious servant of Satan?

The Bible doesn’t not need to contain the word Trinity. Just because you are insane with the malice of Satan, doesn’t mean that we too have to be. Quit your nonsense, or rather try it with those “Christians” who pretend like the Mahomettans, from whom they copy their madness, that their “book” descended intact from “heaven”!

You ask: “If Jesus is God, then why did he Die on the cross ? How can a God Die ? Is this the same God who had killed Pharaoh through the hands of Moses ? Why can't God think of another solution rather than die himself for our sins and resurrect in three days?”

This is Satan speaking. God is Lord, Sovereign, and is all powerful. And if He is All Powerful and Sovereign, He can take on Himself the nature of a creature, even man, He can submit Himself to the malice of His enemies and to being mistreated and even murdered (in His Human nature) yet never losing His Dietyhood. God’s ways are beyond our reason, beyond our questioning. But you delude yourself that you are a Super-God, sitting in judgment over the Lord God, and empowered to advise God Himself! Truly, thou art Satan personified!

You ask: “If I kill one person everyday and confess to Jesus Christ, will my sins be forgiven everyday?” There is a pithy saying, “Billi sau chuhe marke, hajj par nikhle.” Hypocrite! Have you no shame? How dare you raise your eyes with insolence against the Most High Lord God?

But yes, if a man or a woman has sinned, and sincerely repents, and confesses (confession includes a commitment to undo wrong and not to repeat wrong), then he or she will be forgiven by Jesus. This is Jesus’ promise, worked by His Power. But what will you, whose mind is darkened by your slavery to the lies and darkness of the Accursed Mahomettanism, which is one of the most terrible form of Satanism, understand of any of this? A worker of darkness cannot comprehend the light of God!

You ask: “What has the Holy Ghost given you ever since Jesus Christ left the earth?” The Holy Ghost who is the Third Person of the Triune Godhead, has given us many things, but you, a worker of Darkness will never understand, as long as you submit to the slavery of Mahomettanism, which is Satanism. But who are you to question us on this? And what is our obligation to you, an Apostle of Satan?

You say: “Your allegations about Maryam being the sister of Aaron are incorrect. The Aaron referred in Maryam 19:28 is not the same as the brother of Moses. Allah speaks about another Aaron in the time of Maryam. Learn from a muslim scholar rather than Wikipedia or WikiIslam.” No, when a soul wants to learn about Christianity, they must not learn from a Christian scholar but from a Mahomettan “scholar” (hah!), but when the shoe falls on your feet, the standards change! Hypocrite! But you are also a liar. The Quran confuses the Mary, Mother of Jesus and daughter of Joaquim & Anne with the Mary, sister of Moses and Aaron, and daughter of Amram, although they lived more than a thousand years apart. That is why, when the Christians of Najran challenged the False Prophet’s lies, he pretended that Mary, mother of Jesus, has brothers named Moses and Aaron, and that her father was named Amram, not Joaquim! That was adding lie to lie, which is typical of an Apostle of Satan. When the facts do not suit you, manufacture them!

You say, “How many chapters of bible have you memorized (word to word). I guess none. Alhamdulillah I have memorized atleast 20 chapters from the Holy Quran (Word by word). Infact there is no one in this world who has memorized the bible till date and still you can find millions of Hafeez-e-Quran around the world.” Just because the Mahomettans prize one kind of madness, doesn’t mean that we Christians have any need to imitate you. Nor do we need to imitate your hypocrisy in hoisting your arses five times a day into the air, farting off into the face of your fellow-Mahomettan behind you, and then claiming that the odor is the “Grace of Allah”! We Christians are capable of managing our own affairs with the guidance of the true and living God, thank you, and don’t need to imitate the Slaves of Darkness, nor do we need the guidance of the Slaves of Darkness.

You say, “This is a miracle from Allah.” The Miracle of Mahomettanism is that Mu’Ahmad was incapable of even the leastest miracle. The Mountain didn’t come to the False Prophet, so he went to the Mountain.

You claim that the impious Quran is a “miracle.” What miracle? A human concoction fabricated by a purely human leader, the third Caliph Uthman? A recension, by excluding parts and chapters that were “unacceptable” to Uthman?

You say, “Its true that Quran was contructed from leafs, stones and memories of people….” Thank you very much for the damning though inadvertent admission. And so the Quran IS NOT A BOOK THAT HAS DESCENDED FROM HEAVEN UNALTERED BY PASSING THROUGH HUMAN HANDS but is purely a human creation! It was men who picked and chose, who accepted some as “canonical” and others as “uncanonical”! It was men who compiled the Quran, not God! And UnInspired men, too! Doesn’t Mahomettanism claim the Supreme Inspiration for Mu’Ahmad? And yet, it is not he, damned for eternity to the fires of hell, but his fellow-criminals, who compiled the Quran! And such an ugly mess! No proper beginning, no proper order! It is only those who are self-deluded with the criminality of Mu’Ahmad who delude themselves that this impious and purely human concoction is a “miracle”!

You say, “…but can you find any verse from the Quran which is against the humanity.” The entire Quran is the Handbook of Terrorism. It has inspired terrorism on a scale never seen before and never equaled after. It has caused genocides after genocides. It is the Book of Misanthropy. It is the Book of Satanism. It is this book that inspired the Mahomettans to banditry and slave-raiding. It is this book that has caused the Hindu Khush to get its name, a perpetual monument to the Misanthropy and Mass-Murders of Mahomettanism.

It is this impious and satanic book that inspired the Mahomettans to unprovoked aggression against the vast Christian lands of Arabia, West Asia, North Africa and Europe; it is this impious and satanic book that inspired the Mahomettans to unprovoked aggression against the Zoroastrians and Hindus and Buddhists of Iran, Central Asia and South Asia.

If ever there was a handbook of terrorism and of genocide and of Arab racism this is it!

In the history of mankind, no other religion was propagated by systematic terrorism and genocide, except the accursed Mahomettanism! It is evil from start to end, inspired and owned by Satan, and by Satan alone!

You say, “It is true that Allah has nullified few verses of the Quran with the other because he is our lord and he will do as he wishes. In his hands lies the heavens, earth, hell fire and everything that you can imagine.” Wow! And so, your accursed demon “Allah” is Lord and omnipotent and can do as he wishes, but if we claim the same for the Christian God, you qualify yourself to sit in judgment over the Christian God! Talk of Satanism, talk of hypocrisy!

But it is also true that the Quran includes verses which declare that parts of the Quran have been abrogated. This was done for the convenience of Mu’Ahmad, because he could not hold on to the standards he imposed on his dupes, and because he was a sex maniac, a sex pervert, and a compulsive liar, bandit and terrorist! But that parts of the Quran have been abrogated, and because which parts have been abrogated have not been qualified, and because Mahomettanism claims that the “Book” is sacred, integral and has descended from heaven unaltered by human hands, and because the Quran does not admit of an external authority such as many Shia claim, one is forced to the conclusion that every part of it is necessarily abrogated!

You say, “If Bible is the word of God then please justify the following verses from the bible. Foul Language in the bible: Book of Duetronomy 23:2: A "bastard" shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD. Book of Zaakariya 9:6: And a "bastard" shall dwell in Ashdod, and I will cut off the pride of the Philistines. Book of Hebrews 12:8: But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye "bastards", and not sons. Erotic Sex in the bible: Book of Ezekiel 23:3: And they committed "whoredoms" in Egypt; they committed "whoredoms" in their youth: there were their "breasts" pressed, and there they bruised the "teats" of their virginity. Book of Ezekiel 23:7: Thus she committed her "whoredoms" with them, with all them that were the chosen men of Assyria, and with all on whom she doted: with all their idols she defiled herself. Book of Ezekiel 23:8: Neither left she her "whoredoms" brought from Egypt: for in her youth they "lay with her", and they bruised the "breasts" of her virginity, and poured their "whoredom" upon her. Book of Ezekiel 23:20: For she "doted upon their paramours", whose flesh is as the flesh of "asses", and whose issue is like the issue of horses. Book of Ezekiel 23:21: Thus thou calledst to remembrance the lewdness of thy youth, in bruising thy "teats" by the Egyptians for the paps of thy youth. Incest and Sex with a prostitute by a prophet in the Bible: Book of Genesis 38:15: When Judah saw her, he thought her to be an "harlot"; because she had covered her face. Book of Genesis 38:16: And he turned unto her by the way, and said, Go to, I pray thee, let me "come in unto thee"; (for he knew not that she was his daughter in law.) And she said, What wilt thou give me, that thou mayest come in unto me? Does lord Jesus Christ realy speaks this way? Can children read this from the Bible. Its looks rated ‘R’”

You poor slave of Satan! Your hypocrisy and blasphemies never end, do they? God is the God of truth and not of lies. And He speaks plainly when He must, in order to get through to sin-sodden men. And He is Sovereign and Lord, and may do as He wishes. But apparently, while you will grant that to your Demon “Allah” you pretend that the Christian God, the God of Israel, does not have such rights, but that you are Super-God and may sit in judgment over, and veto and censor the Lord God! Alas, you accursed slave of Satan! What punishments do you heap up upon yourself, adding to your crimes!

(Incidentally, there is no “Book of Zaakariya” in the Bible. You invented that one).

You say, “Jesus has promised your Salvation, but he has also denied providing any salvation in the same bible that you read. Salvation denied by Jesus: Gospel "According" to Saint Mathew:7:22: Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? Gospel "According" to Saint Mathew:7:23: And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”

Alas, you accursed slave and servant of Satan! Must you never end your lies, your blasphemies, your twisting of the Holy Word of God! Accursed Slave of Satan, must you heap up your crimes and punishments more and more unto all eternity? Very well, as you choose.

This is just another proof of your blatant lying, your hypocrisy! Jesus has not herein rescinded “any salvation” as you lie, but He promises here that those who are false followers will, despite their pretensions of having worked in His name, be yet cast away into the fires of hell. God is not deceived by liars and the insincere.

Such are the Mahomettans, who claim to “revere” and “honor” Jesus but who negate him, counterfeit him and fabricate a false Christ who is actually the negation of Christ and who is thus Antichrist. And as Jesus warns, this shall be the fate of you Mahomettans, slaves of Satan: In the Day of Judgment you will cry out: Did we not honor you as a Great Prophet, as a great teacher? Have we not prophesied in your name? And in thy name cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works? And then He will say unto you: I never knew you: Depart from me, ye that work iniquity”!

Depart therefore from us, you worker of iniquity, with your meally-mouthed lies, the false gospel of Satan, the false religion of Mu’Ahmad the Accursed, Divider of Mankind, professional liar, hypocrite, Satanist, sex pest, pederast, bandit, terrorist, mass murderer! Go away from us you that are the filth of Satan, lest you pollute us!

I will no longer take cognizance of your lies and blasphemies, for Jesus Christ warns, "Do not cast your bread before Dogs, not pearls before Swine, lest they turn around and trample you." Amen. I have no desire to do so. I have had enough of your lies and blasphemies.


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